By Andrewfromsherb
Dare I say Redden to Hartford..? I won’t bother, as I know that we all have been waiting, nay hoping that we will read it on the home page of TSN.ca or on one of our beloved New York Ranger blogs, hell I even had a dream about it the other night. What I will say instead is that an early Christmas present we are all hoping for would be the first of a series of moves I would love to see happen over the course of the next couple of months:
#1. You all know, if not see above and think deeper
Rationale: aside from the obvious, moving Redden down would free a spot for a young D-man to gain valuable experience, and perhaps more importantly, would finally show all of us Ranger fans out there that someone has a head on their shoulders and is actually listening to our desperate calls for his removal.
#2. Fire Sather!!!!! Give the job to Mess!!
Rationale: see the first and last parts of this post, blogs all over the web, and a certain rally I sadly (as I used to like him and have argued in his favour many times) could not attend as I live 10 hours away in a small Ranger-fan-less town in southern Quebec. Adding the Moose as our GM only adds intrigue interest and fresh legs into an organization that has bordered on boring to watch for a couple of years (thank god for King Henrik)
#3. Strip the ‘C’ from Drury and give it to Callahan
Rationale: aside from his lack of clutch performances, dismal offensive play last season and obvious desire to play a lesser (in the shadows of other stars that is) role I think Drury could benefit from less pressure and I truly believe that he would be a great candidate to have a Marleaueque reawakening in the absence of the spotlight. I really think that when you make 7 million , score under 20 goals and still wear the ‘C’ the pressure is nearly insurmountable and I think doing it in a classy way would really help Dru.
#4. Trade Rozival and Dubinsky along with next years 1st rounder to Boston for Marc Savard and Johnny Boychuk
Rationale: We end up with an easy replacement for Dubinsky (love him but he’ll never put up numbers like Savard and at times I found him to be almost too arrogant) in Savard, who aside from the injury risk is an excellent player and if healthy could be a super compliment for Gabby. He also has a very manageable contract at 4 mil per and despite the length of his current contract the rising trend will make Duby a lot more expensive next time around. And with Boychuk we get equal defensive abilities to Rozy’s but a bit less offensively which we no longer need with MDZ and Gilly and save about 3 million in cap space.
#5. Keep promoting from within
Rationale: Entry Level contracts are much more cap friendly and if this team believes in youth sometimes you gotta dive. Stepan, McD, and even MZA (excited to see if this guy can score in the NHL) can provide this team with options beyond what they bring. Add Grachev to that list and we have a lot of entry level contracts with low cap hits making the addition of other key players next year easier. $$$$ will be very practical come next years crop of UFAs.
#6. Trade Artem Anisimov, Ryan Bourque, next years 2cnd round pick to the Chicago Blackhawks for David Bolland, Jack Skille and Kyle Beach
Ratinale: Not gonna happen, but would love to see Savard centering Prospal and Gabby, Bolland centering Callahan and Stepan/Skille (moved him to the wing) next year!!! Drury centering Avery and Prust and finally our fourth line of Christiensen/Boyle centering Byers/Weise and Boogaard…with D pairs being Girardi-Staal, MDZ-McDonagh and Boychuck-Gilroy with about a few million in cap space to deal with at the deadline and some pieces that can make trades more interesting come deadline day without squandering picks..
That’s my Rant... comment away.!!!
18 comments:
What gives anyone the idea that Messier will be any better at running this team.
1. everything he's learned he's learned from Sather.
2. he was a complete failure with the canadian junior team.
3. name me 1 winning g.m. who was a star player, but I guess because it's Messier that trend will change right.
4. everyone complains about the ownership of this team yet all they do is pour money into the team in hopes of icing a winner, this is not James Dolans fault, what is his fault is that he's allowed this to continue & putting Messier in as g.m. is no different than keeping Sather the guys been groomed & taught everything he knows about mgmt. by Sather.
It's time to cut tie's with this whole mgmt. staff & bring fresh blood into this organization, status quo does not work & elevating Messier to g.m. is status quo in my opinion. Because he was our savior in 94 & make no mistake he is the greatest player in our clubs history & I could make a case as to where he is the best player to ever lace up a pair of skates, I can not put the faith of this organization on him sorry. The time for fresh blood & new thinking is here.
The only thing I agree with in that rant is redden to hartford and promote from within....
I would like to be rid of sather....the only management I would keep is whoever has been doing our scouting and drafting...we know its not sather!!!
As far as messier for GM....read LTP's comment's...they were on the money!!!
Callhan is hot and cold - he shows passion - but he's just not Captain Caliber.
Why not Gaborik as Captain. Lead by example.
Also, logic would say that Gretzky would be the ultimate hockey coach- but he didn't do so hot as coach of the Coyotes...so I don't know how Mess would do as GM. Not sure he could do a worse job.
Another post about how christensen should be a 3rd or 4th liner. Apparently everyone in this blog missed a lot of games last season where there wouldn't have been half the goals in the game if it wasn't for christensen's passes to gaborik, or his own goal scoring. I don't understand how people want a winning team, and then don't want prospal and christensen, the other two extremely intricate parts of the first line last season, you know...the only line that was scoring the whole time. You can't say it was 100% gaborik either, because not only is it TEAM game, but I might as well call you someone who is not a fan of the rangers if you think it was all gaborik. Good thing we don't have some of these people running the team, I for one wouldn't be putting our best players on the fourth line.
I say we fire sather and figure out a way to get J.D. to leave St. Louis and return to where he belongs, as GM of the Rangers.
I appreciate the post, Andrewfromsherb, but I am firmly with fleisch14: "The only thing I agree with in that rant is redden to Hartford and promote from within."
We've been told time and time again that Drury's captainship is somehow justified in the locker room, but I'm just not buying it. However, I don't give the "C" to Callahan or Gabby. Henrik is the obvious leader! He's already leading by example. He works harder and is more consistent than Gabby. He's the heart and soul of the team and the only one who leaves it all out there night in and night out.
As far as Drury's drop in offensive production, I think we gotta give him a little bit of a break because he's been asked to play a more defensive role - as has Callahan!
RangerSmurf writes: "Callahan was dumped into a highly defensive role this year ... With the loss of Betts and Sjostrom, Callahan, along with Drury, was forced to take more of the defensive faceoffs that our beloved 4th liners used to take. These extra responsibilities certainly took their toll on his production."
(Read more at: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2010/7/17/1574601/ryan-callahan-a-look-at-his )
I do believe in promoting within, I think we all do, but that means you gotta hold on to Anisimov and develop him. He's the newest one to come along from within and you wanna trade him after one season!?
Dubinsky is a heart and soul guy too. Savard is on the decline, he's already 33 years old, though he is a playmaker. But Dubi is only 24 and headed into his prime! You can keep Savard, I'll take Dubi and watch him knock Savard's ass into another 41 game season next year!
Response to #1 - I want to see Redden moved to Hartford as much as the next fan. I absolutely cannot stand watching him play but let's face it he signed a retirement contract here in NY and Sather is to blame. Maybe this move hasn't been pulled off yet because the rangers organization does not want a reputation of sending a big salary down to the minors to get rid of their cap hit so they can acquire another player. Basically saying we made a mistake signing a bad contract now let's undo the mistake by easily sending him to Hartford. That definitely may deter some UFAs from coming to the team. But if it was my decision to make I'd let Redden compete for a top six spot and if he isn't one of the six best I would send him to Hartford.
Response to #2 - I agree 100% that Sather should be fired. But I don't think Messier is the person for the job. Messier has a legendary legacy here in NY. If he gets a term as GM and he fails miserably, would it tarnish his ranger legacy? Maybe or maybe not. I would like to see an experienced GM take over immediately but not Messier. JD would be the perfect GM like many ranger fans said for a long time. But right now it's no question Sather should be fired.
Response to #3 - I don't want to see Drury stripped of his captaincy. Drury signed a big contract just like Gomez, Redden, and Rozsival but again that's Sathers fault. Drury put up good numbers the prior 2 seasons before becoming a UFA. He did it by playing on the goal line for the best PP in the league for those 2 years. Coming to NY the expectations are very high but there's no way Drury is going to be the same player he was in Buffalo. Drury plays 100% every night(Redden 50%)and has the most experience in that locker room. If he was putting out a half-ass effort.
My personal rant - I'm a huge anti-tortarella ranger fan. Tom Renney led this team to the playoffs every year he was head coach(missed the playoffs 7 years straight prior). Tortarella's first full season he misses the playoffs. Renney is the ultimate classy coach which perfectly represents the most classy organization in the NHL. Tortarella is the total opposite. I find it embarrassing how he talks to the media and how he represents the rangers organization. There were so many "Fire Renney" chants but i never hear or read too much about firing Tort's. I can go on an on about Tort's but the page would be way too long.
Response to #1 - I want to see Redden moved to Hartford as much as the next fan. I absolutely cannot stand watching him play but let's face it he signed a retirement contract here in NY and Sather is to blame. Maybe this move hasn't been pulled off yet because the rangers organization does not want a reputation of sending a big salary down to the minors to get rid of their cap hit so they can acquire another player. Basically saying we made a mistake signing a bad contract now let's undo the mistake by easily sending him to Hartford. That definitely may deter some UFAs from coming to the team. But if it was my decision to make I'd let Redden compete for a top six spot and if he isn't one of the six best I would send him to Hartford.
Response to #2 - I agree 100% that Sather should be fired. But I don't think Messier is the person for the job. Messier has a legendary legacy here in NY. If he gets a term as GM and he fails miserably, would it tarnish his ranger legacy? Maybe or maybe not. I would like to see an experienced GM take over immediately but not Messier. JD would be the perfect GM like many ranger fans said for a long time. But right now it's no question Sather should be fired.
Response to #3 - I don't want to see Drury stripped of his captaincy. Drury signed a big contract just like Gomez, Redden, and Rozsival but again that's Sathers fault. Drury put up good numbers the prior 2 seasons before becoming a UFA. He did it by playing on the goal line for the best PP in the league for those 2 years. Coming to NY the expectations are very high but there's no way Drury is going to be the same player he was in Buffalo. Drury plays 100% every night(Redden 50%)and has the most experience in that locker room. If he was putting out a half-ass effort.
Wow those trades are awful.
For the first one: Dubinsky is looking like he'll have a break out year this year. By trading away our first you're pretty much trading away a guaranteed top 10 pick (barring any future moves in July/August). Then we get stuck with Savard till he's 40. He'll have 2, maybe 3 good years left.
As for the second trade: Why trade Anisimov? We don't even know what we have in him. He could explode into a 70 pt first line center in the next few years. Or he could top out around 30 and be a solid 3rd-4th liner. Trading him, along with a 2nd for Bolland (a Dubinsky clone), Skille (who can't hold a roster spot in the NHL), and Beach (decent prospect with some injury history) would be idiotic.
Face it, the Rangers aren't going to be doing much damage this year. Don't trade away our only future in (Dubinsky, Anisimov, 1st and 2nd round pics) so the Rangers can finish 7-10th in the East.
disagree with most everything here except the redden bit. not sure i want messier as gm although i think it will happen, definitely want drury still as C, don't want to trade our number 1 or even dubinsky for the 33-34 yr old concussed savard with 6-7 yrs left.
shouldn't have read this one. bp had to go up a few points
joe ? for you why do you want Drury as the captain? I fail to see what he contributes & his play is getting increasinly worse?
there is nobody else who should be captain. we don't have messier or even a scott stevens on this team.
team usa thought enough of him to have him on the team, just like they did with cally. cally or staal would be the heir apparants as captain in 2 years. looking well down the road i see stepan as the C.
yes his play is getting increasingly worse if you judge by a 1 year sample size.
wow i am happy I got you all talking. I think this kinda post is truly a testament to how difficult it is to makes moves that work for both sides as surely assuming Dubinsky is going to "break out" is nto nearly enough to get a dance partner especially for a guy like savard who in the last few season has proven to be a 100% owned fantasy assist machine.. check his stats!! I love the sudden disregard for Messier because our "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM " not "JUNIOR TEAM" failed miserably. thats rediculous because friest crtosby refused the invitation and add him and we automatically finish 3 spots higher (i think some american fans here need to look at their team first before assumin its Mess's fault that they didnt finish higher.. that tournament was a joke all our GOLD medal winning players were playing in the playoffs hell not even Lundy played for Sweden and our soon to be hated Nino Neidereiter actually schooled alot of the players at the tourney and hge wont be in th NHL next year..I also am amused at how many bandwagoners there are out there expecting Redden to put up 50 pts and a plus 20 and Drury gets off scott free with a terrible no show offensive year because apparently he was forced to play DEFENSE.. in Canada here we learn the first thing about hockey is that good defense leads to great offense and if Drury could play more like Datsyuk he"d score goals so defensive responsibilities aside this guy was brought in to score goals not block shots and at 7 million (more than Reds) he should score at least 30 in my opinion. The trades i suggested were ficticous possibilities but i tell you all now Id take Bolland any day over Anisimov and his "potential" and Id take Savard over Duby every day of the week and twice on Sundays.. so all y'all who disagree Id truly like to hear how you would fix this club without dreaming up a trade the other side wouldnt accept.
drury is not a 30 goal scorer. did it once in his career. but he did score 20-25 goals his 1st 2 yrs with pk, blocked shots. he like most ufas is not worth his contract. very few are. well you'll have to gripe about it for 2 more yrs because the salary is not changing. meanwhile lets see if he can at least revert back to 1st 2 yrs stats here.
meanwhile go through the history of our drafts from the mid 1990's until 2007. the choice of forwards is pathetic. that choice to field last yrs team would have given us a top 3 pick in the draft for certain. so the problem is/ or at least was at the draft table. the last 3 yrs seem promising but way too early to judge.
i am the last guy to defend dubinsky. even i do not do a trade of dubinsky for savard - and if i remeber correctly we were throwing in next years 1st pick too.
stop it you're killing me. bp up a couple of more points.
btw - they missed the boat on what i would have done. signed kovy - mostly paid by redden in ahl
LI Joe I totally agree .. I truly think that not signing Kovy was a collausal mistake for a team looking to score goals. we need that Other superstar that kane and towes, crosby malkin, zetty and datstyuk, richard snad carter ..etc too much attention can be placed on gabby and adding a center wont truly help that out having kovy on the other wing woul dhave streteched alot of teasm defense and made us a contender .. and with Reds contract burried adding Kovy woulda been perfect becasue 2 years from now we iwll have Drury's 7 mil and Rozy's 5 mil.. 12 million can be pretty useful spent wisely on grity forwards two way players a big strong centerman etc.. sigh*** totally pissed about the Kovy to NJ deal...as for Drury I know he is a 30 goal scorere Im saying i expect that kinda number from his contract and the gap between 25 and 30 isnt that great...anywasys lets waste some more time and banter on it wont change anything this team is lost and we are too.,
Joe, Andrew . . .
It's not like "they missed the boat" or "made a mistake" not signing Kovy. Sather would have loved to sign Kovy, are you kidding?! It's not as simple as saying we want him here. You know Sather talked to Kovy's agent. We simply do not have the means to give him what he wants.
LTP . . .
Drury has not gotten "worse," his role has changed. as in my previous post:
As far as Drury's drop in offensive production, I think we gotta give him a little bit of a break because he's been asked to play a more defensive role - as has Callahan!
RangerSmurf writes: "Callahan was dumped into a highly defensive role this year ... With the loss of Betts and Sjostrom, Callahan, along with Drury, was forced to take more of the defensive faceoffs that our beloved 4th liners used to take. These extra responsibilities certainly took their toll on his production."
(Read more at: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2010/7/17/1574601/ryan-callahan-a-look-at-his )
they could have easily found room for kovy in the 7.5 mm per yr range. start with redden to minors covers 6.5 mm of it right there. and if someone else had to be moved so what - gilroy, not signing boogaard or whatever. this guy is top 10 league wide
I'm with you, Joe. I would have taken Kovy. Anyone would.
I'm saying these numbers, and whatever else the organization could do, were on the table but it wasn't enough for Kovy to say "you got me."
Did they not try hard enough or something? I have no idea. I just know that Kovy's agent could talk to anybody he wanted and The Rangers were worth the conversation.
Kevin put it as a jest that maybe we still had a chance now that his contract was rejected by the league, but it there's a little more time to wonder what's happening . . .
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